User talk:Holykrip

Hello!
Feel free to add any topics or discussion here. I'm following this page so I should see your comments. Holykrip (talk) 15:22, July 31, 2020 (UTC)

Broken Links
Thank you for following up on the Level/Leveling link issue and leaving me a note. FidellaC (talk) 21:06, August 7, 2020 (UTC)

Admin Privs
Hi Holykrip, I noticed your edits and was wondering if you would like to be an admin. I will need your consent before I make the change. Thanks, DalekCaan1 (talk) 16:10, August 8, 2020 (UTC)

hi dalekcann1 - i left a note on your talk page also. yes, i'd like to be an admin. thanks for making the offer!! Holykrip (talk) 19:18, August 8, 2020 (UTC)

RE: Admin privs
Congrats! I don't know if Dalek just straight up ignored my message or what, but it is what it is. If they stay inactive I can request promotion from Fandom staff (again) in a few months with you and Fidella's ok. Go ahead and delete the pages, I'll add the duplicate glass and chroma pages to the deletion category when I finish editing those (probably within the next few days, I'm getting ready to move back to school so I'm a little busy this week and next). Thanks for unlocking those, and I think other than the home page (which should stay locked to avoid potential vandalism imo), there are no other locked pages. I was considering enabling badges (promotes editing of the wiki) and the message wall (replaces talk pages and is more of a thread than page, prevents having to do this back and forth on talk pages and its easier for other users to add to the conversation) features if I were to be promoted, so maybe you and Fidella want to consider those? Not sure why they are off, I think having them on is default for new wikis. ZeroSuitToadette     Talk    This schist is gneiss   14:57, August 12, 2020 (UTC)

Message Wall & PF Wiki Changes
I came to comment on ZeroSuitToadette's idea of message wall and say that it could be useful but NOT at the expense of the user talk pages. I discovered you had already implemented it and I did not like it at all. I did see your appology on my message wall. I replied but then I found the setting on my own to revert the change before every user's talk history is lost. I have put the talk pages back.

If you would like to keep a threaded conversation on just one talk page, instead of bouncing back and forth between the talk pages, I think that would be a better solution. Feel free to reply to me here on your own talk page. I will check in to see the changes.

I tend to be conservative on change. We need information updated for sure. I am not so keen on a complete revamp of the PF wiki, especially with Fandom planning some of it's own foundational changes; I would prefer to see how those pan out before adding confusion about whether something looks and acts different because of something we did vs what Fandom did.

I think older pages of PF info should be archived not deleted but the navigation links should definitely be pointing at the current info not the old info. Links from current info can be added to the older archived pages for those that enjoy a look back.

At the very least if you decide we really must do Message Wall, do a post on the forum/discussion boards and give users the chance to make copies of their Talk pages. PF Code: 8H6VFidellaC (talk) 15:58, August 12, 2020 (UTC)

that seems reasonable. again, sorry for making a site-wide change without discussion first. but just fyi - the message board pages had a link at the bottom to the talk pages, so no content is lost, just harder to find. i see the wiki pages now have a banner across the top saying this wiki is going to be migrated soon, so we can see what the new forums look like first.

i have been deleting pages out of the 'candidates for deletion' category -- but only ones which are unused redirects or frog requests on individual pages which should be on the forums instead. i haven't deleted anything that has actual content. does that seem ok? Holykrip (talk) 16:09, August 12, 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, I would like to wait for the migration. From what I have read from other users posts of wikis that have already been migrated the migration may cause some issues. We may need to fix and change a bunch of things after.

Unused redirects and misplaced frog requests is exactly the sort of chaff I think needs cleaning out. Thank you for taking that on. :) It will make it a lot easier for us to see from the list of all pages, what sort of framework we have left and where we need to consolidate. PF Code: 8H6V FidellaC (talk) 16:18, August 12, 2020 (UTC)

Archiving
FidellaC - can i ask about 'archiving'? you said old pages with outdated content should be archived but not deleted. if there's no active links to the page, is that enough? or is there a feature of the wiki which specifically archives a page?

Holykrip (talk) 18:29, August 13, 2020 (UTC)

I don't want to appear an authority on this, I absolutely am not. I have found a couple discussions related to archiving talk pages.

https://community.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:963773

https://dev.fandom.com/wiki/ArchiveTool

If the page really is just legacy information, I see a couple ways of handling it. If the page name is not needed for a current version, I am thinking maybe a page like the 'promotional frogs' page, keep the name and put a box at the top of the page that says something like, "This is an archived page. This information is for historical record only and either no longer applies or more current information is available on another page."

I am less certain what to do for pages like the glass and chroma pages. If I understand her posts correctly ZeroSuitToadette has coppied the info from the 3.0 pages to the old glass and chroma pages, right? So all the history is still preserved in the old edits. We would then be archiving the 3.0 pages. Putting a box at the tope pointing out the infomration has been updated to the main chroma and glass pages and locking these pages. IF... we don't want the old tables cluttering up the newly updated glass and chroma pages, we might also create a couple pages 'Chroma tables pre 3.0' that could be linked to for convenience but perhaps that is overboard considering the history is still preserved.

Anyways those are my thoughts on it.


 * FidellaC PF Code: 8H6V (talk) 19:02, August 13, 2020 (UTC)

thanks - i'll take a look at those links and think about this a bit more.

just because you mentioned it, i think the 'promotional frogs' page might be one that should stay and be updated with the content from the 'limited edition frogs' page, since they aren't called that in the game, and make 'limited edition frogs' the candidate for deletion. i think ZST is looking at doing that.

i was looking at pages like 'Android Pocket Frogs Stats' and 'Suggestions' which have extensive content but are marked for deletion. i would be fine making sure they don't have any links to them and putting a banner at the top with something like you suggested. i won't do anything yet, but that seems like a reasonable plan. i've just about finished deleting the "chaff" pages.

maybe we need an 'Archive' category for those pages?

Holykrip (talk) 19:21, August 13, 2020 (UTC)

Going to add in here, yes I just copied the tables over. The page history is for the 3.0 pages is still there and I think those pages should be archived and locked so we don't lose the page history, and then any hyperlinks on other pages can lead to the original glass and chroma pages with all the information. I personally don't see the need in keeping the old tables since it's outdated information and I don't think those app versions run anymore, but I left them because thats not a decision I should make by myself.

Also, Vandraedha renamed the original Chroma page to "Chroma (old version)" and then created a new chroma page (titled Chroma) with a redirect so any chroma hyperlinks lead to "Chroma (old version) *sigh*. I tried to revert the rename before I knew about the redirect page but since it exists, renaming "Chroma (old version) is a mess that I don't feel comfortable dealing with.

I agree with the archive box for legacy information, especially for pages like frog requests (which I believe is still titled "requests"?) and catalog. Then maybe add a category for past features or something similar for navigational purposes?

ZeroSuitToadette     Talk    This schist is gneiss   19:34, August 13, 2020 (UTC)

In response to Holykrip- I marked the Android pages for deleting because they are based off of the Mobage Pocket Frogs app that no longer exists and are incomplete so they look messy, but if archiving is the way to go with those, then I'm fine with it.

ZeroSuitToadette     Talk    This schist is gneiss   19:37, August 13, 2020 (UTC)

specifically about the chroma pages - the "chroma" redirect now goes to "chroma, after version 3.0 ". i would be comfortable deleting the redirect page and renaming 'chroma, after version 3.0" to plain "chroma". the "chroma (old version)" page could be locked, added to an archive category, and a box added at the top for anyone who runs across it some other way.  does this seem ok?  or am i missing something?  (i won't do this immediately because i'm going to be away for a couple hours - but let me know and i'll check my page when i'm back.) Holykrip (talk) 20:28, August 13, 2020 (UTC)

I edited the old version page earlier, so maybe delete the redirect page (Chroma), rename the old version page to chroma, and then lock 3.0? I say this so the 3.0 page is left alone and the same page gets renamed instead of mixing a third page into it. It’ll then stay consistent with the Glass pages.

ZeroSuitToadette     Talk    This schist is gneiss   20:49, August 13, 2020 (UTC)

ah, i see. ok, let me take a look. i should be able to do this right now. stay tuned! Holykrip (talk) 00:28, August 14, 2020 (UTC)

FidellaC, ZST, Vandraedha -- ZST updated the 'Chroma (old page)' page to have the current content and the updated tables, and i've renamed it to plain 'Chroma' similar to how 'Glass' is the current page. we can discuss whether to remove the 'pre-3.0' tables or archive them someplace else. but right now, 'Chroma' is the current page and i've removed the redirect. the page 'Chroma, after version 3.0' is a test of the new archiving strategy. i've added a text box at the top, i've created an 'Archive' category, and i've protected it from further updates. does this sound ok to everyone, or is there some better way to keep things organized? thanks - Holykrip (talk) 00:51, August 14, 2020 (UTC)

Sounds good to me! ZeroSuitToadette     Talk    This schist is gneiss   01:44, August 14, 2020 (UTC)

Another Reason to Wait
I am looking at https://community.fandom.com/wiki/Help:Message_Wall and it says "This feature is going to be replaced in the near future. You can read about this planned change here." Let's see what happens with migration. Assuming all goes well with migration, if the message wall/UCP replacement is still a toggled option, and if talk pages are still preserved and usable... we should be good to go after a forum post. (or whatever the forum will be called at that point.) PF Code: 8H6V FidellaC (talk) 16:38, August 13, 2020 (UTC)

that sounds good to me. Holykrip (talk) 18:26, August 13, 2020 (UTC)

conversion happening/happened?
hi fidella - i see our landing page is completely different now. i guess we've been converted? i'm going to try to look to see how to get some of our original content back so when you click on 'pocket frogs wiki' there's some info about the game there and not just the forums/discussions. let me know if you have any info on how to do that - otherwise i'll just poke around. Holykrip (talk) 15:47, September 1, 2020 (UTC)

Hi Holy - Looks like you fixed it? At least ... I am seeing the Welcome on the front page. Looks like Fandom is having some issues with the UCP migration. There is a note in my alerts from yesterday that says now they are going to pause migration to work out some bugs and it may take them to October before they continue the migrations. ...Which as it so happens also coincides with my real world. I am in the middle of moving and going to be very busy until sometime mid to late October. I will be popping in and will look for messages and such but might not be able to give detailed attention to fixes right away.


 * FidellaC PF Code: 8H6V (talk) 17:42, September 1, 2020 (UTC)

i asked a question on the fandom help and got back a message that the discussion page is going to be the 'landing page' for everyone (if you click on 'pocket frogs wiki' and not our 'home page' link.) so all i can do is make the sidebar content on the right more helpful. i'll try to edit it to include a link to our home page at the least.

good luck on the move!! Holykrip (talk) 19:59, September 1, 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! If I go to https://pocketfrogs.fandom.com/ I am automatically redirected to https://pocketfrogs.fandom.com/wiki/Pocket_Frogs_Wiki with our welcome page. If I go to fandom.com and search pocketfrogs or pocket frogs, ours comes up as the top wiki and clicking on that also takes me to https://pocketfrogs.fandom.com/wiki/Pocket_Frogs_Wiki. If I click on Discuss it redirects to https://pocketfrogs.fandom.com/f You are saying in future https://pocketfrogs.fandom.com/ will redirect to https://pocketfrogs.fandom.com/f  ?

I looked at the welcome on the left side of the Discussion page. Looks good...except.. at least on my laptop (can't get to my desktop right now), after I click 'More', I can't scroll down past 'guidelines'. That and the checkbox, have the bottom clipped off so I don't know if there should be more text after or not. If that is the last item, can you add a carriage return after it?


 * FidellaC PF Code: 8H6V (talk) 18:05, September 2, 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi! what i've been told is that any individual can set our 'home page' for where they land, but the default is the 'discussions page'.  in your 'my preferences' -> 'appearance' -> 'landing page' what do you have set?  mine is the default and it's 'community feeds'.  i may try to make a news item to point people to where to set it to our original main page if they prefer.  i was able to alter the 'welcome' message but only by going to the main page, picking the dropdown and the last item is 'edit mobile main page'.  that text only is a single line in a visual editor so i can't add any white space at the end.  i can't find any controls for the rest of the discussions page, sorry!  Holykrip (talk) 20:06, September 2, 2020 (UTC)

Ah! I see. Indeed mine is set to Main Page after which are listed options, Wiki Activity, Recent Changes, or Community Feeds. I don't see any of them listed as 'default'. Interesting that they thought the forum/discussion is a better first impression for a wiki than the wiki's home page. The seems to be no control of the first impression that way. Since the most noticeable thing when you first arrive on that page appears to be whatever the most recent post is? I wish I had more time to poke about and investigate right now.


 * FidellaC PF Code: 8H6V (talk) 02:17, September 3, 2020 (UTC)

Re:Welcome
Congrats on your adminship. I'm glad to see someone taking an interest in the post for this wiki.Thanks for unlocking those pages so that they can be edited. If you need any admin/technical advice, please feel free to leave me a message on my wall/talk page or send me a DM in Discord (I'm in the official Fandom Discord). P.S. I'm a huge fan of Message Walls over User Talk Pages (it's so much easier to follow a conversation when it's all in one place). And no, toggling Message Walls on does not delete Talk pages. - Vandraedha talk contribs 04:29, August 13, 2020 (UTC)

Good to know it doesn't actually delete or loose the talk page history. Thank you, Vandraedha. I still think it would be good to do a bit of a warning post on the forums/discussion page before making such a big change. I also would like to wait until after the migration before making large format changes. PF Code: 8H6V FidellaC (talk) 16:01, August 13, 2020 (UTC)

Proposed Update to Scenery Page
Hi Holy, Just a heads up to check out the conversation I have started on https://pocketfrogs.fandom.com/wiki/Talk:Scenery We can discuss my proposed changes there. I plan on getting started on creating my revamped version now but won't upload my changes for a week so you (and possibly others) can weigh it. It will take me a little while since I want to also make images for the ones missing. PF Code: 8H6V FidellaC (talk) 17:05, 6 May 2021 (UTC)