Talk:Patterns

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How to deal with the large pattern table?
I'm ambivalent about combining the 2 frog tables. I considered it when I originally edited the page, but thought that a combined table might be a little bit too much to transclude onto the Breeds page. (Note that I've also moved the marker for the currently transcluded data back to the end of the first table).

Be careful about using tables & templates to make things "pretty". Your (a generic you) specific desktop layout =/= a good web experience for everyone. Tables do not always display correctly on the page (they are frequently hidden, or require excessive scrolling when viewing the mobile versions of the page). If you're trying to use a screen reader, they can be a nightmare. Generally speaking, a better solution is to use headers & sub-headers. Tables also cause bloating. It often takes at least 3 times as much data & time to load a page as with using standard formatting. They're also hard to update. Currently, it's tabular data - will it always be tabular data?

I'm interested to hear possible suggestions for a solution to the problem of the current image heavy table that is being transcluded onto the Breeds page. Should it be eliminated in favor of a different table?

Vandraedha talk contribs 09:48, September 2, 2020 (UTC)


 * i like where you moved the end of the included section.  i don't know the answer for the large table.  i see the images being useful when looking for a frog you don't recognize, but they are data heavy and i don't know anything about screen reader issues with them.  there are pages for each pattern, so replicating more pattern info here seems wrong, too.  Holykrip (talk) 14:35, September 2, 2020 (UTC)

adapting to width, why a table?
I'm asking myself why the array of pattern images and names is a table. There is no significance to either the table row or column number. My guess is a table was chosen because the cells provide a nice frame for the image and label. But there must be other formatting options that would allow the images to fill the current screen, whatever it's width, and then wrap to the next line.

Right now the table is only 4 columns wide to help with viewing on mobile devices, but it wastes lots of space on a computer screen. Anyone have any suggestions for a better formatting choice? Holykrip (talk) 18:13, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

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Rearrange?
i don't think the release info merits being the first thing on this page. it might be interesting for historical reasons though, and could be moved to the bottom of the page.

thoughts? Holykrip (talk) 14:20, July 31, 2020 (UTC)

Yes I agree with you on that, I can move it down. I'll see if I can move it to a table format as well to make it more visually appealing.

ZeroSuitToadette     Talk    This schist is gneiss   15:03, July 31, 2020 (UTC)

I finished moving the information. The table gave me a little trouble, so it should probably only be edited in source mode for the future. I think eventually the two other tables can be combined, but thats a project for another day. It should also be edited in source mode.

ZeroSuitToadette     Talk    This schist is gneiss   15:38, July 31, 2020 (UTC)

Looks great!!

I've only ever used the source editor -- too many years programming before visual editors were available! I haven't tried using the one on this wiki, but I've had random troubles with other visual editors either generating a ton of unneeded formatting commands and/or not doing what I want!! :)

Holykrip (talk) 15:52, July 31, 2020 (UTC)

(I split vandraedha's comment - this part is about the editor. the rest of their comment is about how to deal with the table, which is still an open issue and is at the top of this page. Holykrip (talk) 18:13, 15 November 2020 (UTC))


 * As far as edits to complex pages - I also almost exclusively use the Source Editor. Once you learn how to use it, it's just easier than dealing with the Visual Editor's many problems...I typically only use VE if I'm trying to document a bug in it.


 * I like the Release info at the bottom of the page.


 * Vandraedha talk contribs 09:48, September 2, 2020 (UTC)